Shifting Consciousness: Six Years with Yogis and Tibetan Buddhists

Extended Mind — POSTED BY David Luke on January 3, 2010 at 5:43 pm

The data from parapsychological research is slowly becoming more accepted by the scientific community. The main sticking point is still a good theory into which psi fits. This is essentially the same sticking point for what has been called the “hard problem” in consciousness research – how can the non-physical mind stuff interact with the physical brain?

By Serena Roney-Dougal, Psi Research Centre, Britain

For the past six years I have been working in India, initially at the world’s first Yoga University (Bihar Yoga Bharati) in Swami Satyananda’s ashram  in Bihar, and then with Tibetan Buddhists at various monasteries in India. It has been an amazing experience, not least because the Indian ashram students showed me very clearly that my knowledge about mind and consciousness was severely limited by the Western approach. I therefore started to make a study of the Yogic and Buddhist philosophies of mind and consciousness and what follows is where I’ve got to so far, aware that I am still in primary school as far as these ideas are concerned, but feeling that my simple understanding of these complex concepts just might be helpful to others in the West who may be interested in learning about this viewpoint. The Yogic and Buddhist conception of consciousness is a top-down approach similar in some ways with the Neoplatonic philosophy found in the Western Mystery tradition, and also having links with traditional Western animist philosophy. They also are profoundly similar to the Holographic Universe philosophy that I have mentioned as being the best understanding for how psi works that I have come across so far.

1. The Vedic and Buddhist Concept of Ground

Consciousness (Alaya Vijnana)

In the beginning…..

According to Vedic and Buddhist teachings, consciousness is sort of the equivalent of the Big Bang or God.  This is not at all like the God of the West, but rather, as Swami Satyananda (2000) says: “By God (Ishwara) we mean . . . a superior spiritual consciousness.” I call this Big C to distinguish it from our personal consciousness. This Consciousness is infinite, eternal – that is without beginning or end – “Consciousness is.” Eternity is a concept we are still having trouble with in the West. I recently learned that it was the Buddhists who first conceptualised eternity and it was only in the Middle Ages that it came to the West – which is an astounding thought. So for us it is really a relatively recent concept and may be that is why we have such trouble grasping it. The West needs to come to grips with the concept of eternity and stop thinking that the universe begins and ends – either taking on Fred Hoyle’s steady state universe ideas, or that this particular universe has arisen out of the ending of a previous one and will itself eventually end, and another forms in the eternal cosmic dance. I like to visualise the Western concept of the Universe, with a beginning and end, as a straight line. Eternity is a circle – everywhere is the beginning, everywhere is the middle, everywhere is the end; in other words there is no beginning, middle or end.

The Buddhist conception, as stated by the Third Karmapa, is: “Both faculties and objects arise from the mind. The manifestation of sensory objects and faculties is dependent upon an element that has been present throughout beginingless time.” (Thrangu, 2001, p.34) In other words, everything, the whole manifest universe, arises from mind. There is here a problem of translation, in this quote the word ‘mind’ is being used in the same way as Big C from the Yogis. I shall use the word Consciousness with a Big C to denote the eternal ground of all being. This is the same teaching as Advaita Vedanta, and turns our Western story of how the world began on its head from: “In the beginning there was a Bang,” the Bang became light which became matter which formed galaxies, stars, planets and ultimately life, and consciousness is just emerging out of matter (the brain) now – to: “In the infinite eternity Consciousness is” and out of Consciousness matter is formed; Consciousness is the ultimate ground of all being.

Prof. Harishankar Singh, a Vedic philosopher from Varansi, when discussing these ideas with me, made an interesting remark that the purpose of Consciousness is to provide us with our ethics, our morality for life, our knowledge of good and evil, our highest purpose. Thus Consciousness is both the ground of all being and the highest spiritual aspiration or, as Wilber (2001) describes it, the ground out of which the Great Nest of Being manifests. Morality and ethics of humans are very, very different from those of animals – and this is one mark of the difference in quality of consciousness. As Tibetan Buddhists put it – we have a precious human life which makes it possible for us to attain enlightenment.

Mind, Awareness and Consciousness

Vedic philosophy states that the qualities, or functions, of consciousness are knowledge, will and activity, of which thinking is one activity. In the Vedic and Buddhist frameworks there is a clear distinction between mind and consciousness. Separating thinking out is something that I have found to be of central importance in grasping this other view of consciousness. Thought is related to mind and mind is connected to the senses. Consciousness is something much bigger!  Consciousness itself is not a quality, it is reality in all its different forms. Swami Satyananda (2000, p.19) says: “The mind cannot be the source of consciousness because it too can be perceived as an object. The mind does not illuminate itself.” When you practice some forms of meditation such as Buddhist mindfulness, or Mahamudra, or the Yogic Antar Mouna, you watch the mind, watch the thoughts as they appear and disappear, you ‘rest in the awareness.’ Yogis and Buddhists conceive of mind as an organ which processes the senses, and is the means by which thought is created. “Consciousness when measured, limited, in space and time, then form and qualities appear – then it becomes chitta (mind).” Swami Satyananda defines yoga as a method, “by which consciousness is disconnected from the entanglement with mind and the manifested world.” (2000, p.18) This is true too of meditation.

In the Baghavad Gita this conception is pictured as a chariot driven by five horses. The horses are the senses and the mind is the rein leading from the horses to a driver, who is awareness or the intellect (buddhi). The overall direction to the chariot is however given by the passenger (personal atman, the soul) who instructs the driver. We can see here that in this conception mind is very limited; and I find it very helpful to use the word mind with this definition as it is helping me to get greater clarity. The problem in the West is that these words are used in so many different ways and we never quite know in what way the person is using them! This problem is compounded when translations are made of Sanskrit or Buddhist texts. The Vedic conception is very similar to the Buddhist (Thrangu, 2001), which talks of 8 consciousnesses: the five sense consciousnesses, the 6th is the mind sense consciousness, the 7th the immediate (or afflicted) consciousness, and the 8th the ground consciousness.6 The sense of self or ego, continuity of mind, is considered to be linked with the 7th consciousness, which is called buddhi (awareness or intellect) by the Yogis. This also is where actual perception is located because it is the link with our memory and conceptualisation, both of which are needed for us to be able to perceive something for what it is, rather than just a meaningless shape, taste, etc. And what in yogic terms is called the soul seems to be conceptually linked with the 8th consciousness, though Buddhists do not use the term soul. Beyond this, out of which everything arises is Big C, naked awareness, Ultimate Mind – there are so many terms used for this. The Buddhists also have the philosophy that these 8 consciousnesses transform into wisdom as we reach enlightenment. This I like! The ultimate magic!

Do you have soul?

Vedic philosophy states that there are five primary levels which manifest out of the eternal Consciousness at different evolved states, which they call Soul, or universal Atman. I am just beginning to grapple with this concept of soul and what it means. I always saw soul as the essence of the person, connected with but different from the personality; something which is recognizable, unique in the new born babe and which is still there when the person dies, albeit changed by their life experience. In the Vedic view:

The soul of matter is the unconscious state of pure Consciousness;

the soul of plants is the subconscious state of pure Consciousness;

the soul of animals is the conscious state of pure Consciousness;

the soul of humans is the self-conscious state of pure Consciousness; this self-consciousness means we can choose good and bad, leading to ethics, morality and the possibility of enlightenment.

In the Buddhist view there are other levels beyond the human, the various levels of different devas and gods, some of which relate to the Western concept of the fair folk.

Thus there is Consciousness, with a capital C, which is the whole universe, and this manifests in us as our soul. From the Holographic Universe perspective, as I’m a part of the whole (from my perspective) and the whole is in every part, this is what is being described here in terms of soul and consciousness. This big C in the Buddhist terminology is known as sunyatta (emptiness). According to Tai Situ-pa Rinpoche (1996), sunyatta is not nothing – it is the whole universe including the formless whole behind this manifest reality since none of it has ultimate entity, everything is impermanent coming and going like a river where the water is always different but the river stays – which I think is related to Bohm’s idea of the implicate order, out of which this see-touch reality unfolds. Tai Situpa says that emptiness is where everything has limitless possibilities and potential; there is nothing which is not the manifestation of everything, that is more than manifestation of everything, that is less than manifestation of everything; which once again takes us back to the Holographic Universe ideas.

What I really like about these Yogic and Buddhist concepts is that thinking-mind, awareness and consciousness are clearly separate faculties. Mind is the tool by which we become aware of the senses and is the creator of thoughts. And every meditator knows the difference between the thinking process and awareness, the witness which watches the mind. Consciousness is still not a totally clear concept because it is so multifaceted, but separating thinking-mind and awareness out as two distinct processes, and having a top-down approach to the Universe with consciousness present at all levels makes good sense to me. I am, however, unsure of the definition of the use of words such as sub- and un-conscious in the Vedic usage, particularly with regard to their concept of Atman, i.e., exactly what is meant by matter being the unconscious aspect of Consciousness? However, I am aware of the tangible presence of the stones at Stonehenge and Callanish and Avebury – these stones definitely have a consciousness of sorts – perhaps this is what is meant. And see the power of stone as used in religions, eg. The Kabbah in Mecca, and king-making, e.g. the Stone of Destiny in Westminster. Further discussion with Vedic philosophers is required here!

Parapsychology and the Vedas

Theoretically this philosophy gives a solid underpinning for an understanding of psi phenomena. Psi is the direct transfer of information without the medium of the senses, more connected with awareness (buddhi) rather than thought (chitta, mind). In fact psi research suggests that thoughts get in the way of psi awareness. With the Vedic philosophy, that consciousness underpins all reality, I am beginning to understand that the active psychic processes, such as psychokinesis or psychic healing, are the motor organs of the Self-consciousness (soul). The receptive psychic processes such as telepathy, clairvoyance and precognition are the sensory organs of soul. Thus psi can be understood as the active and receptive aspects of the soul level of our being. Interestingly, the dictionary definition of the word ‘psyche’ has ‘soul’ as one of its meanings. At the psychic level we experience consciousness, at the very least awareness, rather than thinking mind, potential omniscience and omnipotence considered as attributes of the divine, and called the siddhis in yogic philosophy. It then manifests via the normal mental modes, some people becoming aware of psychic impressions through imagery, some through feelings, some intuition, etc.

As I discuss in my writings on the Holographic Universe (Roney-Dougal, 1991), in parapsychology recent theorising (Radin (1997, 2006); Jahn & Dunne (1988) has related the functioning of psi to quantum reality.  The Vedic and Buddhist philosophy of consciousness is totally in line with this conception of consciousness being integrated with matter, as seen in such quantum paradoxes as Schrödinger’s Cat and non-locality (quantum entanglement). Quantum entanglement (also known Bell’s theorem, or the EPR paradox) says that information exists and passes between connected quantum particles instantaneously, i.e. outside of time and space, as does psi. Schrödinger’s Cat paradox gives rise to the observer effect, which says that consciousness is central for material reality to take the particular form it does, as we get in psychokinesis, e.g., psychic healing occurring in accordance with the wishes of the healer. Both of these quantum principles, which have been experimentally verified, are in accord with parapsychological data. As Swami Satyananda (2000, p.19) puts it: matter is the “gross form and manifestation of mind. . . the material world that we see around us is really an expression of the more subtle mental aspects of existence.”  I could copy this quote several times over with sayings from various quantum physicists, as Wilber does in his book “Quantum Questions” Wilber (1984). (Yet again there is a confusion of terms. I think that the words “mind” and “mental” in the quote should really be consciousness.) At the quantum level, matter is localized energy; matter takes both wave (energy) and particle (matter) forms. E = mc2

2. The Shaivite Tantric Concept.

Tantric philosophy recognises 4 levels of consciousness (see figure 1), which are both the manifestation and evolution of the Universe and the individual. Each of these levels are subdivided into 4 making a total of 16.  Tantra states that our purpose is to become aware at each of these levels, so that we realise the ultimate state (supra-consciousness), which is one with eternal Consciousness.

Swami Satyananda (2000) has written a commentary on Patanjali’s Yoga sutras called “Four Chapters on Freedom,” in which he describes the four primary states of consciousness as follows:

1. Conscious mind: sthula (gross dimension [of the Universe]); jagrat (waking state [of the mind]) – surface thought and perception of the outside world.

2. Subconscious mind: sukshma (subtle dimension [of the Universe]); swapna (dream state [of the mind]) – individual memory and samskaras (mental tendencies).

3. Unconscious mind: karana (causal dimension [of the Universe]); sushupna [also known as nidra][1](deep sleep state [of the mind]); collective samskaras and memory.

These realms contain the instinctive, intellectual, psychic and intuitive aspects [of the mind]. (Satyananda, 2000, p.19)

And 4: Turiya which is where consciousness goes beyond mind. Turiya means “simultaneous awareness of all three states” which takes us closer to the state of enlightenment. (Niranjanananda, 2002, p.25) These can be pictured as follows in Figure 1 (Adapted from Yogakanti, 1999):

Figure 1: The 4 Major Tantric States of Consciousness

Dimension of the Universe gross subtle causal transcendent
State of human consciousness waking; conscious dream;


deep sleep; unconscious Cosmic Consciousness; collective unconscious


Lakshman Jee (1988) describes these states as follows:

Jagrat is “when the individual . . . . loses consciousness of one’s subjectivity and becomes one with the objective world.” This is our normal state of consciousness. Most of us are totally unaware most of the time. We are totally caught up with living: working, reading a book, chatting with friends, doing the washing up, etc. Most of us don’t watch ourselves, don’t watch what we are saying, feeling, being, doing, thinking. In terms of the Universe manifestation this is gross matter. And matter has evolved in this universe from Big Bang through to all the different elements, planets, rocks, etc. In fact, through our agency, it is still evolving in the form of plastics, computers, technology, pharmaceuticals, etc.

Swapna is our dreaming state of consciousness, which includes day dreaming, “lost in thought” as we say. Once again we lose awareness and get totally caught up in our thoughts, dreams, daydreams, etc. The aim of meditation is to enable us to remain aware even when dreaming. In Tibetan Buddhism one of the teachings is dream Yoga, which is one of the six Yogas of Naropa, and is where you learn lucid dreaming. The ultimate aim is that when you die you can go through the bardos (the intermediate state between this life and the next) with full awareness. This is considered to be a dream-like state of consciousness. In terms of Universal manifestation this is the life-energy level.

Sushupna, or nidra, is the causal dimension, the all-knowing. In our normal state, the common understanding of nidra is of deep sleep, an unconscious state. With increased awareness one can actually become aware in this state of consciousness. Thus it is said that the night of the layman is the day of the yogi. This state of consciousness is the absence of senses and thinking mind Yogakanti (1999), termed the 7th Consciousness by in Buddhism, equivalent to the soul level of the Vedic system. In the Universe manifestation it is the Akashic, mental level.

Turiya is the state of total equilibrium between individual manifest consciousness and cosmic Consciousness. It is not an interactive state though full of wisdom there is absence of dualistic knowledge. There is total disassociation from the seeds of gross, subtle or causal dimensions Yogakanti (1999). In Buddhism this state is called ‘naked awareness.’

My understanding of these states is that enlightenment is becoming aware in states of consciousness in which we are normally unaware, including the dream state and the ‘beyond thought’ state. Awareness is the key concept.

Tantra and Parapsychology

According to Patanjali’s sutras and Buddhist teachings, as we develop our awareness at these different levels of consciousness so we become aware at a psychic level. In the 1970s a theoretical framework for parapsychology, known as the psi-conducive model, was developed from Patanjali’s yoga sutras (Braud, 1978; Honorton, 1981). This led to an ongoing programme of states of consciousness research which has borne rich fruit. I have been using this model as a theoretical basis for research in India, working initially with swamis in an ashram and later with  Tibetan Buddhist monks in monasteries, who have done up to 40 years meditation. The findings are still very preliminary but are suggestive that meditation does enhance psi awareness.


Figure 2: Correlation of Psi Score with Years of Meditation Practice.

As can be seen in Figure 2, those monks with the most years of meditation practice show far higher psi scores. For the first 10 – 15 years the scattering of psi scores is like you get with people who have not had any mental training, then after about 10 – 15 years it all starts to go more positive and get stronger. The magnitude of the correlation between psi score and years of meditation, found in Tibetan study 1 (0.524), was nearly the same (0.49) in study 2, and is similar to that between Yoga and psi (0.57). Combining the monks’ scores from both the Tibetan studies gives a correlation of (0.73), which is shown in the graph here (Roney-Dougal & Solfvin, (2008). This research is now being continued at a Tibetan Buddhist monastery in Britain, and it will be interesting to see whether Westerners show a similar pattern. In meditation it seems that we are making the shift from unconscious competence (the natural psychic) through conscious incompetence, which is where all the psi-missing manifests showing our blocks and defences occurs, through to conscious competence as we become more and more aware. Tibetans recognize two sorts of clairvoyance: the spontaneous, natural psychic which they consider to be unreliable, and the highly trained lama, who they consider to be 100% reliable. We seem to be beginning to see this here. They also state that years of practice are needed, and this is showing up too.

For me, the central message from the Yogic Tantric teachings is that increasing awareness of those aspects of our consciousness of which we are normally unconscious, dream and pure awareness states, are in fact those states of consciousness which are related both to psi functioning and the samadhi states of meditation. This tallies with the Buddhist teachings about meditation, and with the Jungian concept of the collective unconscious as that aspect of consciousness outside of space and time which is the domain of the psychic.

3. The Union of Energy and Consciousness

In the West we normally think of energy, such as a light or electricity, as a non-conscious force that interacts with matter. In the Vedic philosophy, energy has  its own form of  consciousness,  e.g., the consciousness of light is illumination. In the Tantric philosophy the manifestation of consciousness into the different dimensions of the Universe occurs through energy – or vibration (spanda). Once manifested this tehn evolves towards transcendence. This could possibly be a spiritual philosophical link with M-theory Carr (2008), whereas Quantum theory is the Western philosophical equivalent of the Vedic and Buddhist philosophies. Turiya is the subtlest level and the end dimension of manifestation is the lowest gross level of jagrat, which is the material universe. This is the complete opposite of the Western beliefs about the origins of the Universe.

The subtle energy aspect of life within the body, which I have researched at the theoretical level for many years now, is the Yogic and Buddhist Tantric concept of prana, which flows in the body through the nadis, which are energy (termed wind by Tibetans) channels in the human body. There are 72,000 nadis of which the three primary nadis, sushumna, ida and pingala, run up the centre of, and on either side of, the spinal column. Where these energy channels intersect, the chakras are located. I have discussed the chakras, and particularly ajna chakra, the third eye, from a physiological viewpoint earlier because that has helped me to get a handle on them, but the basic concept of the chakras is as the energy aspect of the body linking body with consciousness – the body consciousness energy. I think that the Tantric concept of the way the Universe works as the mingling of Consciousness with Energy, manifesting from subtler levels to the gross level of matter, which then evolves back to the subtler levels of consciousness is as good an understanding as I’ve come across yet. The subtle energy aspect of the body seems to be the halfway house between consciousness and the material world. In trying to get some understanding of how mind connects with matter this seems to go some way to a reasonable understanding, particularly with quantum philosophies bringing the two together so clearly now.

Both Yogic and Buddhist tantric teachings use prana, the nadis and chakras for meditation practices and they are considered to be the most powerful way of shifting our awareness out of this see-touch reality into Big C.

Compassion – the bodhisattva principle

What the Buddhist teachings have, that for me is their most important contribution, is the Bodhisattva principle: that we are aiming for enlightenment for the good of all beings; the altruistic approach. This is of course part and parcel of the Holographic universe philosophy. If the whole is in every part, then every thought word and action of every part affects the whole. So everything I think or do affects everything else which automatically affects me. This gives an understanding of karma which goes beyond the rather mechanistic view that most people have. We are all interconnected, the Universe is an indivisible whole, and compassion, love, is the juice that fuels the evolving principle. The more compassion and love I generate the better for all including myself. Thus, ultimately the psychic level of being is not the overt clairvoyance of a medium or fortune teller, but that sensitivity which is involved in making the choice which takes you in the best direction for the benefit of all people, that oils the wheels of life, that is part of wisdom, the wise decision, the best thing to do for all concerned. It is also that sensitivity, that awareness, that is linked with empathy, where you feel from the other person’s perspective, say the right thing, do the best for them, which is part of compassion. So we are looking at the subtle level of the development of wisdom and compassion. Can’t be bad really!

This is as far as I have reached  – who knows where I go to next.


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  • robertdevos says:

    For a comprehensive manual of these concepts and a course to follow in developing physical awareness through hatha yoga and t’ai chi/chi kung, refinement of perception through pranayama breath exercises and then using the capacities of mind and Sufi meditation to join all these aspects in an understanding of the constantly enfolding NOW please see my website
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  • sunyatisunya says:

    really enjoyed the article
    found it via google
    then just registered to post this comment
    i also wanna respond to someones question here
    hopefully he or she will be reading to see it –

    scroog3 asked:

    “In between the states of JAGRAT, SWAPNA, NIDRA, and TURIYA respectively – where does the conscionusness state experienced while doing meditation fit in?”

    short answer: it depends on what meditation you are doing, what its natural limitations are, how intently you are doing it, etc

    detailed answer: different meditations have different goals. some are just preliminary processes to help us relax and prepare for deeper inner work. however, the traditional yogic practices and the buddhist practices work as follows:

    you begin your meditation in the jagrat waking state. this is where you are focusing on something such as your breath. now, when you have brought your mind under control and it no longer moves all over the place, and there is a fluid flowing of awareness to your meditation, you will begin to enter the svapna dreaming state. however if you maintain your awareness you will NOT experience this state as ordinary people do. you will instead become introverted, the outer senses will become distant and you will feel your are internalized within your mind. this is the subtle body, svapna. here the flow of your awareness in your meditation will mostly be one-pointed, although other movements in mind have not yet ceased entirely. you will feel that in this state it is less of a struggle to remain centered in your awareness. now, from this svapna dream state you also have to rise just as you rose from jagrat waking state. so when your contemplation becomes more perfect, the dream state will dissolve into the causal susupti (nidra, as you wrote) deep sleep state. here there is no external world of the outer senses NOR internal world of mind and thought. here in the causal state both objectivity and subjectivity vanish. it is experienced as complete stillness, rest, emptiness, as if there is nothing and never was anything. yet you still must rise higher, if you enter this nidra state with awareness then it is a low form of samadhi. it is not yet self-realization or profound awareness of the ground consciousness. from this nidra state you must rise to turiya by shedding that last veil. this will only occur by maintaining perfected awareness, if your awareness slips for even a moment you will not rise, you will sink back down into illusion (mind will become active again in ordinary way). when, in the causal nidra susupti state, there is a sudden flash of illumination within your own awareness, you will then experience a very profound samadhi state.

    simpler explanation

    in meditation you must rise through the states
    from waking state to dreaming state
    from dreaming state to deep sleep state
    from deep sleep state to transcendental state

    if you think about it you will realize simply that it HAS to happen like this, i.e., internally, an internal rising through states … where can you go from this state in waking? to reach deep samadhi states you have to go beyond waking, beyond dreaming, beyond deep sleeping, into the transcendental state of awareness.

    so in your meditation when you lose awareness of this external world of the senses, you are rising. this is not the same as someone taking a nap and going to sleep. they enter the same dream state but unconsciously and they are driven by illusion, mind’s creations delude them. in meditation you enter the dream state with full awareness and you continue meditating. then from there your thought perfects itself and then you enter the causal state of deep sleep. this is not like when someone goes to sleep and enters a deeply unconscious state where they have no self-awareness whatsoever. if you enter this state with awareness you will understand how it is possible to remain perfectly aware in this state of emptiness. then from that deep sleep state you must remain aware of yourself until you realize the fullness of the transcendental consciousness, the primordial awareness.

    this article here is good because the author brings buddhist terminology and tantric/advaita terminology together showing their harmonious meanings. the three state model of shaivism and advaita is very easy to understand, and turiya being synonymous with buddhist terms like alaya or primordial awareness is also easy to understand and very clarifying.

    if you or anyone else would like a deeper explanation (or just clearer, i know i don’t write too well) of the states and how we must rise through them in meditation, let me know here and i’ll give you my email address.

  • wardstrup says:

    Thank you for this article! I really appreciate the attention given to the translation of terms. I think this causes a lot of confusion for westerners that we are not always aware of.

  • scroog3 says:

    In between the states of JAGRAT, SWAPNA, NIDRA, and TURIYA respectively – where does the conscionusness state experienced while doing meditation fit in?

    • sunyatisunya says:

      oops, sorry scroog3 i replied to your question but did not click “reply” here. hopefully by doing it now it sends you a notice or something so you can read my response and answers to your question. best wishes.

  • alchemistoxford says:

    Thanks to Sarina Roney-Dougal for writing this fascinating synopsis of her research into the definitions of consciousness – and thanks to David Luke for bringing this paper to the attention of readers of Brainwaving. The cartography of consciousness is, perhaps, the most urgent challenge facing humanity, and this paper provides a useful outline.

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